[TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 46

albertosantosfranco at sapo.pt albertosantosfranco at sapo.pt
Tue Mar 18 19:38:04 UTC 2014


Plese put out the Meter in garbage is a big destraction....The being  
knows better!

ARC U

A Santos!


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>    1. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin)
>    2. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Paul Tipon)
>    3. Re: Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ? (Pete Mclaughlin)
>    4. Pete re: High TA (Ralph Clouse)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 07:56:27 -0700
> From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555 at yahoo.com>
> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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> Hi Paul
>
> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at  
> normal for the sex of the individual.  That the person will be  
> exterior and ready to do the next session action?
>
> Sincerely
> Pete
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com> wrote:
>>
>> *************
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>> Hi Richard and All,
>>
>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, rrondeau5 at comcast.net wrote:
>>>
>>> *************
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>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.  
>>> In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising  
>>> tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the  
>>> starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the tone  
>>> arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and withdraw  
>>> or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup. The end  
>>> result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I always start  
>>> the chart with an in range TA.
>>
>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or  
>>> objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront.  This is an  
>> indication of being interiorized.  Things that can lead to  
>> interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger, etc.  
>>  High TA is a physical phenomenon.  In auditing, it is difficult to  
>> audit over a high TA.  The reason being that one has interiorized  
>> and is not there, not in session with his body.  So an auditor  
>> giving a session has to get the PC reading on the meter or results  
>> will be very hard to come by.  The reason is that the PC is not  
>> able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA.
>>
>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not  
>> closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads  
>> very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a  
>> meter.  Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at  
>> all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may or  
>> may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
>>
>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing, touching,  
>> hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune with the  
>> consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan.  Now if you are  
>> using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,  
>> consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
>>
>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the  
>> TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0  
>> range for females.  Meaning that no particular actions are  
>> necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated those  
>> reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
>>
>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is not  
>> a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions.  It is  
>> purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable  
>> readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing  
>> with the auditing question.  TROM is not audited action.
>>
>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:14:44 -0700
> From: Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
> To: The Resolution of Mind  list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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> Hi Pete,
>
> Answer below.
>
> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
>
>> *************
>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>> ************
>> Hi Paul
>>
>> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at
>> normal for the sex of the individual.  That the person will be
>> exterior and ready to do the next session action?
>
> That is not a given.  It is possible but not to be counted on.  The
> reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions
> directly but it does free up one's free will which can be an over-
> riding action to the mind but it does not directly handle a
> compulsive action item of the mind.  So a compulsive action of the
> mind still has the opportunity to come into play in the future under
> the right conditions.  Ri can be a remedy to a recurring compulsion
> but it will not undo that compulsion permanently.
>
> Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix.  The permanent
> fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Pete
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *************
>>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>>> ************
>>> Hi Richard and All,
>>>
>>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, rrondeau5 at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *************
>>>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>>>> ************
>>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.
>>>> In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising
>>>> tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the
>>>> starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the
>>>> tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and
>>>> withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup.
>>>> The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I
>>>> always start the chart with an in range TA.
>>>
>>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body or
>>>> objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
>>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront.  This is an
>>> indication of being interiorized.  Things that can lead to
>>> interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger,
>>> etc.  High TA is a physical phenomenon.  In auditing, it is
>>> difficult to audit over a high TA.  The reason being that one has
>>> interiorized and is not there, not in session with his body.  So
>>> an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on the meter
>>> or results will be very hard to come by.  The reason is that the
>>> PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of the high TA.
>>>
>>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not
>>> closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads
>>> very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a
>>> meter.  Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at
>>> all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may or
>>> may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
>>>
>>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,
>>> touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune
>>> with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan.  Now if
>>> you are using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,
>>> consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
>>>
>>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the
>>> TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0
>>> range for females.  Meaning that no particular actions are
>>> necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated those
>>> reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
>>>
>>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is
>>> not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions.  It
>>> is purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable
>>> readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing
>>> with the auditing question.  TROM is not audited action.
>>>
>>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Trom mailing list
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 11:53:05 -0700
> From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555 at yahoo.com>
> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Pete re: Have you run RI on the meter ?
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> Hi Paul
>
> What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session should  
> I expect that RI when run to no more change will end in a normal TA  
> and FN?
>
> If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to TA 3.0  
> and FN before starting the level I am working on.
>
> In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to run  
> rudes to FN followed by the next action ordered by the C/S.
>
> Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2 and  
> 3 on the meter and abide by what it shows it would be good to put up  
> some information on the list showing what a meter will indicate as  
> RI and Timebreak are done in session.
>
> Sincerely
> Pete
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com> wrote:
>>
>> *************
>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>> ************
>> Hi Pete,
>>
>> Answer below.
>>
>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
>>>
>>> *************
>>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>>> ************
>>> Hi Paul
>>>
>>> Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be at  
>>> normal for the sex of the individual.  That the person will be  
>>> exterior and ready to do the next session action?
>>
>> That is not a given.  It is possible but not to be counted on.  The  
>> reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's compulsions  
>> directly but it does free up one's free will which can be an  
>> over-riding action to the mind but it does not directly handle a  
>> compulsive action item of the mind.  So a compulsive action of the  
>> mind still has the opportunity to come into play in the future  
>> under the right conditions.  Ri can be a remedy to a recurring  
>> compulsion but it will not undo that compulsion permanently.
>>
>> Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix.  The permanent  
>> fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> *************
>>>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>>>> ************
>>>> Hi Richard and All,
>>>>
>>>> My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, rrondeau5 at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> *************
>>>>> The following message is relayed to you by  trom at lists.newciv.org
>>>>> ************
>>>>> My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a while.  
>>>>> In my experience starting off with RI's always creates a rising  
>>>>> tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed the  
>>>>> starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But the  
>>>>> tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a reach and  
>>>>> withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual mass buildup.  
>>>>> The end result is always an F/N at around 2.6-3.0 tone arm. I  
>>>>> always start the chart with an in range TA.
>>>>
>>>>> Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the body  
>>>>> or objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
>>>> First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront.  This is  
>>>> an indication of being interiorized.  Things that can lead to  
>>>> interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear, anger,  
>>>> etc.  High TA is a physical phenomenon.  In auditing, it is  
>>>> difficult to audit over a high TA.  The reason being that one has  
>>>> interiorized and is not there, not in session with his body.  So  
>>>> an auditor giving a session has to get the PC reading on the  
>>>> meter or results will be very hard to come by.  The reason is  
>>>> that the PC is not able to produce good meter readings because of  
>>>> the high TA.
>>>>
>>>> High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not  
>>>> closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are reads  
>>>> very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be seen with a  
>>>> meter.  Because of this, not only are reads hard to come by if at  
>>>> all but any kind of needle movement has to be suspect as if may  
>>>> or may not be a reaction to the auditing question.
>>>>
>>>> So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,  
>>>> touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in tune  
>>>> with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the Thetan.  Now if  
>>>> you are using the meter to meter what the mind and the Thetan,  
>>>> consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the needle movement.
>>>>
>>>> I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM, the  
>>>> TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and 2.0  
>>>> range for females.  Meaning that no particular actions are  
>>>> necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated  
>>>> those reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
>>>>
>>>> Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action is  
>>>> not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM actions.  It  
>>>> is purely a physical body thing that is necessary for reliable  
>>>> readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what the PC is doing  
>>>> with the auditing question.  TROM is not audited action.
>>>>
>>>> Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Trom mailing list
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ralph Clouse <sojourner452003 at yahoo.com>
> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> Subject: [TROM1] Pete re: High TA
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> Hi Pete
>
> If your TA is High on a regular basis, RI may not bring it into a  
> normal range. There are case-mind phenomena which can cause a High  
> TA. Basicaly as the mind is surounding your body space to a greater  
> or lesser degree of distance, when an unconfronted bit of mind is  
> keyed in = a scene, as the mind is electrical in nature, it  
> interfers with the body electrics like an added resistance in the  
> body circuit.
>
> High TA = High resistance, over the bodies own normal resistance.  
> Various reasons cause scenes to come close to your body and raise  
> it's resistance.
>
> In Scientology, a well known reason is going out of body and then  
> coming back in. This can re-stimulate a time of being forced in or  
> out of a body, like being killed = out of body, or being  
> trapped-forced into a body, this can apply on many or all dynamics  
> also. Scientology has speacialized auditing for this type of  
> situation.
>
> Also Overts and Withholds can cause this among many other possibilities.
>
> I understand your concern. If your TA is high, you won't get usable  
> reads on your meter for use in TROM. It won't stop RI from working,  
> or your doing of TROM, but it can make it more of an effort to do  
> them. The High TA should be handled, but it will not stop you. If  
> you found the item = scene or scenes it would resolve.
>
> Keep on TROMing
>
> Ralph?
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