[TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 36

Jonah Seymour jonahdavidseemore at gmail.com
Wed Mar 12 06:31:29 UTC 2014


@Max&Paul

Hi Max, I agree with you in several respects, however, I find it quite
difficult to say really anything on the forum, knowing that all my typing
originates in games compulsion on a forum about freedom from games
compulsion. It certainly is a neat experience. At the end of the day, so
many people saying DO TROM SEE FOR YOURSELF and what not, plus the fact
that no ones making money, plus the fact that it's based on boolean logic,
indicates that it working is more likely than it being ineffective. Even if
it's not 100% what it promises (and I have no reason to believe this as the
case) it must do some good, theres no possible way these exercises could
harm you, or make your mind more loud. I know I'm preaching to the choir,
as you do practice TROM regularly, for a longer time than it, but I say
this mostly for myself. Typing can help sometimes.

Hello Paul, Thank you for this post, insightful, just hearing you relay
your experience of "not thinking before doing" assures me there is
something to TROM. You have no reason or gain in bullshiting us. When you
say "freedom from games...what nobody wants" this triggers an underlying
question beneath my "whats at the end of trom" query...and that is fear of
life being boring games free. Lemme ask you and everyone.

IS NO GAMES NO SPACE NO TIME NO MIND BORING? I mean what motivated me to
come in the first place. (I guess that's another question, that should be
interested in trom.)

Anyways, as I said, I will ask questions pertinent to me diving in and
doing nothing but trom, currently getting things sorted to where I can go
out in the New Zealand Bush and focus on nothing but working on myself.
(trom and body cleansing)

Thanks guys.


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> Hello All,
>
> I'd like to answer your responses to my request to share videos of you and
> some other of my requests. (I'm speaking only for myself, not for Jonah).
>
> 1). Your urges with the message "Just do TROM to the end" are, of course,
> correct. However, you are making a mistake if you think that I just sit
> there and wait for proof that TROM works to be brought to me on a plate
> with
> a blue rim (Dmitry ;) ).
>
> In fact, I've pretty much dedicated my life to TROM (and Eckhart Tolle's
> teachings, they are essentially the same, but cover different angles). I do
> RI (and Eckhart Tolle stuff) here and there every day, although far less
> than I could - but still not too little. And I've been doing this for more
> than a year now.
> (I don't do as much practice as I could, because power of intention is
> still
> too low, and I still need a lot of stimulus from environment)
>
> During that time normally I've been sitting with my mouth shut and was just
> working on TROM, and working and working (still doing pre-lvl2 RI). In
> fact,
> in response to some contributors to the TROM mailing list, I was privately
> thinking "Hey, man, a little less conversation and a little more action,
> please".
>
> But sometimes I get doubts about putting too many eggs into the TROM
> basket.
> Because, let's face it - TROM manual is just another book I've found on the
> internet, and to put too much faith in it isn't exactly rational. For all I
> know, I might be simply arrogant enough to think that I possess enough
> brainpower to detect the right book. I can be wrong!
>
> AND THAT's where a possibility to see, communicate etc. someone who has
> done
> TROM completely or almost done it comes in - such a possibility would
> encourage to work further.
>
> So, I think that you are right in urging people like me to simply do TROM,
> but I wanted to present my viewpoint as well, because it seems to make
> sense
> (Viewpoint here is used in the sense of holding a mental opinion, and not
> in
> the sense of a 'position from which to view'). Especially the part about
> "TROM manual is just another book I've found on the internet, and to put
> too
> much faith in it isn't exactly rational".
>
> 2). And also there was written about novices' desire to achieve
> extraordinary abilities (fly etc.) - nothing could be further from the
> truth
> in my case. I care about getting the stuff which is already there
> (relationships, health, intelligence and all-around internal freedom) -
> better, and don't give a damn about extraordinary abilities. Actually, I
> DON'T WANT to be able to fly etc., because the world wouldn't make sense
> then.
>
> 3). By the way, Dmitry, congratulations [, comrade]! In fact Dmitry to me
> looks the most realistic person in here - because he has been doing RI for
> months, as well as I have, so it's not something wrong with me that I have
> to do it for so long.
> Before I heard from him I felt like being an underdeveloped kid in school,
> who couldn't catch up with his classmates. Now I have a proof that RI CAN
> be
> needed to be run for months, perhaps years. Seems like I have, as you'd
> call
> it, "a difficult case", and that it's nothing to be ashamed of.
>
> By the way, an interesting fact. The Russians, namely, me, Dmitry and
> another guy (owner of freeyourmind.ru) are the only ones about whom I've
> heard that they need very long stretches of time to advance between levels
> or in? "RI till no change" stretches.
> Everyone else seems to fly between levels like a butterfly! (in a few
> recent
> posts I've heard of someone to whom it took a couple of dozens of hours of
> level 2 to complete it - I didn't believe it. Literally.).
> This, maybe, is because of one of the following:
> - Either the Russians are more diligent and more persistent in finding the
> real "no change" and really finishing levels
> - Those people simply are "difficult cases"
>
> No longer bothering you...
>
> Happy to see this community to have achieved a better state since about a
> week or so ago.
>
> Many puns intended. :)
>
> Happy TROMming
> Max
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> From: Jonah Seymour <jonahdavidseemore at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 35
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> All very well said Paul, I thought of a quote from Jesus saying something
> to the effect of, "those who seek after signs and wonders will not see
> them" and it clicked.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM, <trom-request at lists.newciv.org> wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:41:08 +0000
> > From: albertosantosfranco at sapo.pt
> > To: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 34
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> > So start RI NAW!
> >   LOVE!
> >
> >
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> > > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:16:21 +1300
> > > From: Jonah Seymour <jonahdavidseemore at gmail.com>
> > > To: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 33
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> > > Thank you Alberto,
> > >
> > > The way you expressed it, is understandable, and encouraging to do it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:58 AM, <trom-request at lists.newciv.org>
> wrote:
> > >
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> > >> Today's Topics:
> > >>
> > >>    1. Re: I have finished RI :))))))))))))))))))))))))))) :) (???? ?)
> > >>    2. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31 (Svoboda Vladimir)
> > >>    3. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31 (Paul Tipon)
> > >>    4. Rub and Yawn auditing (Pete Mclaughlin)
> > >>    5. Jonah and Max (Le?ncio Madruga)
> > >>    6. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 26 (albertosantosfranco at sapo.pt
> )
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:18:22 +0400
> > >> From: ???? ? <steyr_aug_a2 at mail.ru>
> > >> To: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555 at yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: The Resolution of Mind list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] I have finished RI :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
> > >>         :)
> > >> Message-ID: <1394507902.91244760 at f75.i.mail.ru>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >>
> > >>  Thank you :)
> > >>
> > >> >>You have demonstrated that you can complete a difficult task no
> matter
> > >> how long it takes.
> > >> I just had no joice :)
> > >>
> > >> >>I expect we will hear more level completions from you in the future.
> > >> I'll finish TROM or die like a man :D :D
> > >>
> > >> Seriously, I like the result and it was worth spending time on this
> > >> exersice.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 18:40:54 +0400
> > >> From: Svoboda Vladimir <captfree at yandex.ru>
> > >> To: trom-request at lists.newciv.org
> > >> Cc: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31
> > >> Message-ID: <1192761394548854 at web6j.yandex.ru>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain
> > >>
> > >> Hi, All.
> > >> Here is a few words about 2 level, past persons.
> > >> Choice a past person. Hold this person in your mind. What color are
> his
> > >> eyes? Are his eyes blue, brown, grey, yellow... Blue? Can you find an
> > blue
> > >> object in your room?
> > >> What color are his hair? Are his hair red, brown, black, blonde?
> > Brown...
> > >> Find a brown object in PT... Is something similar?
> > >> What length is a body of this person?
> > >> What color is his skin? Is his skin red, pale, browned, pink?))))
> Find a
> > >> similar color around.
> > >> Maybe does his bald head shine? What are shining in your room?
> > >> How did he dress? Was he dressed a white
> > >> shirt? Black trousers... Brown shoes...
> > >> Touch his body. Touch it mentally. What temperature is it? Do you
> > remember
> > >> warm hands of your mother?
> > >> I knocked my forehead for a joke and knocked to a
> > >> door. Similar sound)))))
> > >> My school teacher spoke very loudly. That sound is different of noise
> in
> > >> my street. But
> > >> it is loud too.)))) He had got a black suit and dark glasses. I can
> find
> > >> similar objects in present time. Yes, these similarity are not similar
> > >> absolutely but a mad reactive mind or somebody in hard dissociation
> > >> differentiates very bad.
> > >> The body of the past person consists of MEST. Look around and you will
> > >> look at MEST. It is the key. MEST is around human bodies, the bodies
> are
> > >> MEST, the mind is MEST ( matter-energy-space-time) too.
> > >> What space was occupied his body (size)?
> > >> What is his weight?  Have something
> > >> same weight around
> > >> you?
> > >> Blue or brown eyes are not blue cloth and not a
> > >> brown table. But blue color is blue. Black is black. Similar words are
> > >> kind of the links  connect different objects as similar. A=A is a
> stupid
> > >> logic of the Reactive Mind of the human ape.
> > >> I suppose when we look at the past person then we run a subjective
> > process
> > >> ( recall ) and when we look for different and similar objects in
> present
> > >> time we do an objective process.
> > >> You will find your own body in present time to compare too. But I hope
> > you
> > >> understand my example. Body ( past or present) is MEST and objects in
> > your
> > >> room are MEST too. Reactive mind is M=M, E=E, S=S, T=T.
> > >> "Dog runs fast.
> > >> If he runs fast too,
> > >> Then he is a dog too. )))))))) because they have a similar quality".
> We
> > >> get a common class by a postulate and we get a wrong bond.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 3
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 07:54:38 -0700
> > >> From: Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
> > >> To: The Resolution of Mind  list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 31
> > >> Message-ID: <4AD57261-7DFC-4885-8C08-80855F3E0539 at proftitleserv.com>
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> > >>
> > >> I GET IT.  That's very good.  Very good examples.
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 11, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Svoboda Vladimir wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi, All.
> > >> > Here is a few words about 2 level, past persons.
> > >> > Choice a past person. Hold this person in your mind. What color are
> > >> > his eyes? Are his eyes blue, brown, grey, yellow... Blue? Can you
> > >> > find an blue object in your room? What color are his hair? Are his
> > >> > hair red, brown, black, blonde? Brown...
> > >>
> > >> > Find a brown object in PT... Is something similar? What length is a
> > >> > body of this person? What color is his skin? Is his skin red, pale,
> > >> > browned, pink?)))) Find a similar color around. Maybe does his bald
> > >> > head shine? What are shining in your room? How did he dress? Was he
> > >> > dressed a white shirt? Black trousers... Brown shoes...
> > >>
> > >> > Touch his body. Touch it mentally. What temperature is it? Do you
> > >> > remember warm hands of your mother? I knocked my forehead for a
> > >> > joke and knocked to a door. Similar sound)))))
> > >>
> > >> > My school teacher spoke very loudly. That sound is different of
> > >> > noise in my street. But it is loud too.)))) He had got a black suit
> > >> > and dark glasses. I can find similar objects in present time. Yes,
> > >> > these similarity are not similar absolutely but a mad reactive mind
> > >> > or somebody in hard dissociation differentiates very bad.
> > >>
> > >> > The body of the past person consists of MEST. Look around and you
> > >> > will look at MEST. It is the key. MEST is around human bodies, the
> > >> > bodies are MEST, the mind is MEST ( matter-energy-space-time) too.
> > >> > What space was occupied his body (size)? What is his weight?  Have
> > >> > something
> > >> > same weight around you?
> > >>
> > >> > Blue or brown eyes are not blue cloth and not a brown table. But
> > >> > blue color is blue. Black is black. Similar words are kind of the
> > >> > links  connect different objects as similar. A=A is a stupid logic
> > >> > of the Reactive Mind of the human ape.
> > >>
> > >> > I suppose when we look at the past person then we run a subjective
> > >> > process ( recall ) and when we look for different and similar
> > >> > objects in present time we do an objective process.
> > >>
> > >> > You will find your own body in present time to compare too. But I
> > >> > hope you understand my example. Body ( past or present) is MEST and
> > >> > objects in your room are MEST too. Reactive mind is M=M, E=E, S=S,
> > >> > T=T.
> > >>
> > >> > "Dog runs fast. If he runs fast too, then he is a dog too. ))))))))
> > >> > because they have a similar quality". We get a common class by a
> > >> > postulate and we get a wrong bond.
> > >>
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> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 4
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:17:03 -0700
> > >> From: Pete Mclaughlin <pete_mclaughlin_93555 at yahoo.com>
> > >> To: TROM <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > >> Subject: [TROM1] Rub and Yawn auditing
> > >> Message-ID: <5C56D1F7-92BA-4279-8B23-BE2F8942352C at yahoo.com>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii
> > >>
> > >> Here is an interesting website on a solo auditing technique.  I tried
> > this
> > >> on a meter and found that rubbing my feet on the carpet causes the
> tone
> > arm
> > >> to rapidly drop around 2 divisions. From 5.2 to 3.2 in a few minutes.
> > >>
> > >> http://rubandyawn.com
> > >>
> > >> Keep on TROMing
> > >> Pete
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 5
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:31:17 -0300
> > >> From: Le?ncio Madruga <lsmadruga at selecom.com.br>
> > >> To: The Resolution of Mind list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > >> Subject: [TROM1] Jonah and Max
> > >> Message-ID:
> > >>         <CAAoVMMLLm=v37gLkU4RaMWBeDAc4cuYQR35H+h2=
> > >> uP961EiWgQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >>
> > >> I became a Advanced Transcendental Meditator several years ago, before
> > >> using TROM.
> > >>
> > >> This advanced (TM-Sidhi) course was paid, and was sold promising a
> huge
> > >> betterment in meditation and an acquisition of superpowers like body
> > flying
> > >> (the 'yogic fly', now on video
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwhGUo90jw
> > >> ).
> > >> When we asked ours fellows (experienced meditators) about yogic fly,
> > they
> > >> said "flying is not important, but just an evidence that you are a
> good
> > >> meditator".
> > >> All of us (basic TM meditators) thought "How can these people say this
> > >> about that wonderful ability ???".
> > >>
> > >> Seeking for improvements  I did attend the TM-Sidhis training.
> > >> In the course I did not fly (about 30% of my colleagues did not fly
> > also).
> > >>
> > >> After the course, a TM trainer from my city invited me to participate
> of
> > >> his TM class. Then, at the class, she asked me to explain the benefits
> > of
> > >> the TM-Sidhis course to his students. I was stuck with my inability to
> > fly
> > >>  and could not explain the benefits I received from TM-Sidhis Course.
> > >>
> > >> Again in my home, shamed, I decided to immerse in myself to identify
> any
> > >> improvement on my life, e began to write about. After two weeks I
> > finally
> > >> had in my hands a 25 pages report! Then I decided to send that report
> to
> > >> all my TM-Sidhis course colleagues. Those were my benefits from
> > TM-Sidhis
> > >> course (and I was not flying yet).
> > >> I received several responses, but the best one was: "Leoncio, you are
> > >> flying higher than us!". Only then I realised. Flying was not
> important
> > as
> > >> were the other benefits.
> > >>
> > >> And all those 25 pages included ONLY internal aspects of myself, and
> > they
> > >> cannot be viewed externally by someone, except by me.
> > >> And those aspects were hidden to me: I had to put a huge effort (14
> > days)
> > >> to dig them all.
> > >> For example I could then stay focused in same idea for hours, without
> > >> distraction, effortlessly, in any environment. I also began to hear
> > better
> > >> than other people with normal hearing.
> > >>
> > >> So is TROM: Move planets out of his orbits is not important. The
> > important
> > >> is the improvement of your ability in games playing.
> > >>
> > >> Keep tromming
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> > >> Message: 6
> > >> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:51:13 +0000
> > >> From: albertosantosfranco at sapo.pt
> > >> To: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 116, Issue 26
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> > >>
> > >> HELLO JONAH!
> > >>
> > >> sORY TO SAY BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT! DO TROM TILL LEVEL V
> > >>
> > >> IT CANT BE EXPRESSED IN COMUNICATION!
> > >>
> > >> NO MIND IS NO MIND! NOTHINGNESS! No one whants this! So you must have
> > >> a game! No mind no significance! Mind significance!
> > >>
> > >> All "ability" are doing or being or having so they are postulates! No
> > >> power, no ability, not know, no desire, and you achive to no mind and
> > >> find "your self"! "SO ALL IS JUST PERFECT"
> > >>
> > >> DO YOU BELIVE? SO DO IT!DO TROM AND FIND FOR YOUR SELF!
> > >>
> > >> LOVE!
> > >>
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> > >> >    1. Trom not working for you? (Colleen K. Peltomaa)
> > >> >    2. Re: Cosmic History 14 (Paul Tipon)
> > >> >    3. More on Cosmic History 14 and "The Games Universe" (Paul
> Tipon)
> > >> >    4. Proof of Trom (Jonah Seymour)
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> > >> > Message: 1
> > >> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:25:01 -0400
> > >> > From: "Colleen K. Peltomaa" <cygnifique at gmail.com>
> > >> > To: Trom at lists.newciv.org
> > >> > Subject: [TROM1] Trom not working for you?
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> > >> > I found out recently that self-invalidation and beating myself up
> was
> > >> > eating into my ability to actually run a process --  because I did
> not
> > >> meet
> > >> > my self-expectations to do it yesterday.
> > >> >
> > >> > Tolle answered this nicely for me:
> > >> >
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> > >> > Message: 2
> > >> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:24:58 -0700
> > >> > From: Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
> > >> > To: The Resolution of Mind  list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > >> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Cosmic History 14
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> > >> > Hi All,
> > >> >
> > >> > Comments interspersed below.
> > >> >
> > >> > Paul
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
> > >> >> 14.The Games Universe
> > >> >>
> > >> >> To all intents and purposes, the whole big ruined mess left after
> > >> >> the fall of home universe is the games universe vastly expanded
> > >> >> with the residue of all of the prior creations. And with the game
> > >> >> twisted beyond belief by the introduction of the penalty universe
> > >> >> materials and agreements. This is what we referred to as the games
> > >> >> universe later on the track. It is the first of the big
> > >> >> compulsively agreed- upon universes where we were no longer in full
> > >> >> control of the creation of reality.
> > >> >>
> > >> > Every idea here is only true because one sees it as so.  Again, the
> > >> > only factor that can have any sway over a God is that of the God
> > >> > himself.  One can still have Home Universe if one desires.
>  Obviously
> > >> > that is not the desire.  Not the most importance.
> > >> >
> > >> > Being a Level 5, TROM completion, I now observe and participate as I
> > >> > choose.  My game is to always have the flexibility to play a game or
> > >> > not play a game.  I am currently practicing the ability, the free
> > >> > will to change my mind, to alter my importances, to play a game or
> > >> > not play a game.  To influence or not influence.  I typically choose
> > >> > on the side of influencing for the better but in doing so I realize
> > >> > that I cannot change other's importances, their minds.  So, I don't
> > >> > take a loss but have compassion and love for those still trapped
> > >> > within the compulsiveness of their minds and who are unable to
> change
> > >> > beyond the rigors and control that their minds deal them.
> > >> >> In spite of all this, you were still a god; But a badly aberrated
> > >> >> one. You were still immune to force and knew it, but your mockups
> > >> >> could be hurt and you were now subject to counter-emotion to some
> > >> >> degree because you could really loose something. In the home
> > >> >> universe era, this wasn't true. You could always mock something up
> > >> >> again and your home universe knew no law but your own.
> > >> >>
> > >> > Loosing something, really loosing something is a state of mind, a
> > >> > viewpoint.  Nothing more.  Can't you have something else?  A
> > >> > duplicate or a substitute just as good if not better.  Couldn't you
> > >> > re-mock up the original or a better, in PT original?  This all has
> to
> > >> > do with whether it's a Home Universe or a common, among others
> > universe.
> > >> >> The body types, styles of mockups, etc. were quite varied in this
> > >> >> period. The penalty universes used 64 different body types of which
> > >> >> only one was truly human. Older styles such as people manifesting
> > >> >> as clouds or whatever were also in use. There was no pattern or
> > >> >> organization to the universe similar to the way our galaxy is
> > >> >> structured. It was just a hodge-podge of planets, flat-earths,
> > >> >> pictures hanging in the sky, or whatever and it all just sort of
> > >> >> drifted around. Individuals claimed areas and marked them off by
> > >> >> filling the areas with faint light of various colors so that space
> > >> >> itself appeared to be a sort of patchwork quilt. The old proponents
> > >> >> of the one dimensional creation system also often filled their
> > >> >> space with music of some sort or another. These were not sound
> > >> >> vibrations but simply a musical telepathic wave that permeated
> > >> >> their areas.
> > >> >>
> > >> > A few decades ago I realized there was a part of me that was a
> > >> > cloud.  A cloud that only I could see and communicate with.  I would
> > >> > consult it for answers and help.  This would be much like one
> looking
> > >> > upwards and outwards while being in deep thought.  It was part and
> > >> > parcel to deep thought.
> > >> >> The games leaned towards the intellectual side since we were not
> > >> >> yet very concerned with force and motion. These included things
> > >> >> that could be thought of as godlike equivalents of chess and cards
> > >> >> and various strategy games. They also included the old valence game
> > >> >> and various other games of one-upmanship where the opponents tried
> > >> >> to psych each other out in various ways. Elaborate mockups were
> > >> >> often built as prizes, or sometimes a period of service was
> > >> >> wagered. There is not as much motion as you might expect because
> > >> >> much of the motion was still non-linear (objects in motion might
> > >> >> jump the way a knight only touches certain squares in chess without
> > >> >> passing through the intermediate points).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The Games Universe goes on for a very long time. Some characters
> > >> >> are so bad that you want them out of the game but you have no way
> > >> >> of doing this. Everyone thinks this but of course nobody agrees on
> > >> >> who should be thrown out.
> > >> >>
> > >> > Been there, done that and hit the same wall.
> > >> >> Finally a solution is proposed. A lower universe could be built and
> > >> >> the undesirables sentenced to it. But a mechanism was needed to fix
> > >> >> the convicts up so that they couldn't just pop back up and cause
> > >> >> more trouble.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> So the remnants of all of the penalty universes were strung
> > >> >> together. Remembering the hate and urge to destroy that occurred
> > >> >> during the fall of home universe, this is used at the end of each
> > >> >> positive goal to attach a negative goal to it.  ie., the positive
> > >> >> (but degrading) penalty universe goals such as the goal to eat were
> > >> >> paired with their opposites such as the goal to starve. The
> > >> >> negative goal swings the victim around to the next positive goal
> > >> >> and makes him go round and round through these penalty goals. This
> > >> >> is called the treadmill. With the attachment of the negative goals
> > >> >> it became a self perpetuating cycle that is supposed to set the bad
> > >> >> guys up to do each other in forever. This is a very popular idea.
> > >> >> It is probably the first time after the collapse of home universe
> > >> >> that everybody agreed on something.
> > >> >>
> > >> > I suggest that if one is playing with positive goals and or negative
> > >> > goals that one is currently in this tread mill by one's own choice
> to
> > >> > work with good and/or bad goals with the end result of only having
> > >> > the one of the goals survive.  The same as vanishing or eliminating
> a
> > >> > bad goal by putting a good goal in its place or vice versa of
> > >> > course.  The same is true in playing with past incidents vs.
> current,
> > >> > present time incidents.  It's all just a treadmill.
> > >> >
> > >> > One needs to rise above this game, transcend it and get into
> handling
> > >> > the cause, one's mind and its compulsions.
> > >> >> Needless to say, everyone builds this thing intending it for use on
> > >> >> the bad guys rather than themselves and of course everyone
> > >> >> eventually gets tossed in. The treadmill leads the person down into
> > >> >> what we came to call the Motion or Motions Universe.
> > >> >>
> > >> > Yes, one being on a treadmill leads one to believe that fixing the
> > >> > treadmill phenomena is the path out.  It therefore leads one into
> > >> > being engrossed with the treadmill and its motion and looking for
> the
> > >> > answer, the way out through engaging deeper and deeper into the
> > >> > mechanics of the tread mill.  Obviously this is not the way out.
> > >> > This is only a lower subset of the larger difficulty, the difficulty
> > >> > that is no longer being addressed.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from my iPad
> > >> >
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> > >> > ------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> > Message: 3
> > >> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:36:22 -0700
> > >> > From: Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
> > >> > To: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > >> > Subject: [TROM1] More on Cosmic History 14 and "The Games Universe"
> > >> > Message-ID: <64B58A06-C174-4801-8A84-AC7E256F6E27 at proftitleserv.com
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> > >> > I highly suggest and recommend that one proceeds with TROM to it's
> > >> > completion and achieves 'Freedom from Games'.  Playing with
> > >> > postulates, past, present and future, playing with complimentary and
> > >> > non-complementary postulates is a means to just being better at
> > >> > playing a game.  It does not achieve for one, 'Freedom from Games',
> > >> > the ability achieved from and upon completing Level 5 of TROM.
> > >> >
> > >> > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> > Message: 4
> > >> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 23:59:35 -0500
> > >> > From: Jonah Seymour <jonahdavidseemore at gmail.com>
> > >> > To: trom at lists.newciv.org
> > >> > Subject: [TROM1] Proof of Trom
> > >> > Message-ID:
> > >> >       <CAHLSBV9+h0UaFtVa7jxyXp99xe-xuCwrEqE=_9diq6wot61a=
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> > >> >
> > >> > Hello All,
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm curious as to whether anyone can attest to witnessing or allow
> me
> > to
> > >> > witness proof of TROM's described abilities.
> > >> >
> > >> > Has anyone seen person know something there would be no "normal"
> > means of
> > >> > knowing?
> > >> >
> > >> > Anyone want to demonstrate it to me? I can give you my address and
> you
> > >> > remote view what colour of shirt I'm wearing.
> > >> >
> > >> > I promise you won't turn into my trick monkey. Someone attesting to
> > the
> > >> > workability of TROM once is all we need.
> > >> >
> > >> > Another question is why hasn't anyone/why aren't we demonstrating
> > psionic
> > >> > abilities to promote TROM. I understand the mainstream media would
> > act as
> > >> > if it doesn't exsist, but with social networking today, we could
> still
> > >> > reach alot of people with a quite tangible motivation to clear
> > >> themselves.
> > >> > It could be a catalyst for clearing the planet.
> > >> >
> > >> > I hope I don't sound like a skeptical Scrooge... The fact that TROM
> is
> > >> > claiming such spectacular benefits at no charge leads me to suspect
> > that
> > >> it
> > >> > does in fact work. My personal experience with Ri and L2 is also a
> > >> > contribution.
> > >> >
> > >> > The datum that TROM is based on Boolean logic is also quite
> > impressive...
> > >> > Could someone help me learn/direct me to a place where I can learn
> to
> > >> fully
> > >> > understand the logic and algebra behind Dennis's tech. And
> understand
> > how
> > >> > he made each step and conclusion in the creation of TROM?
> > >> >
> > >> > I would be interested to hear from anyone who's completed level 4
> and
> > >> > beyond. Slim, you've walked through walls, haven't you? :-) Alberto,
> > >> > Colleen suggested I run this query to you. :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > Sincerely,
> > >> >
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> > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:49:03 -0700
> > From: Paul Tipon <ptipon at proftitleserv.com>
> > To: The Resolution of Mind  list <trom at lists.newciv.org>
> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Jonah and Max
> > Message-ID: <4EF275D6-C360-482A-B437-D69BD6B6A496 at proftitleserv.com>
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> > Hi Le?ncio,
> >
> > Great to hear from you.  I too got into meditation about a year or so
> > before TROM.  Over time I then found TM which I practice now, daily.
> > Being a Clear and then doing TROM, I found this a great benefit to
> > TM.  Not having any compulsions of the mind is of great benefit for
> > TM.  It also improves OB and RV.
> >
> > My goal with TM is now that I am no longer the compulsive effect of
> > my mind, I am taking apart my considerations upon viewing and then
> > knowing in order to get a more truthful and exact duplication of that
> > which I encounter.  I am seeing more and more truth and exactness.
> > This then enables me to do more and have things move and occur as I
> > wish.  The funny thing is I have things occurring around me that I
> > don't even have to view or postulate about.  Things just occur as I
> > care for them to occur.  It's effortless postulating.  It even feels
> > as though I'm not even postulating.  Things happen instantly with no
> > thought or consideration at all.  Even my body responds instantly
> > without a need to consider, think and/or command.  It's truly like
> > magic but magic occurring that I am not even aware of doing anything
> > to produce that magic.  I literally amaze myself.
> >
> > Now for a comment to Jonah and Max.
> >
> > I would suggest that your requests to see paranormal activities such
> > as remote viewing may be coming from a personal desire to be more
> > effective, more causative at playing games and with the game of
> > life.  Man has always had a desire to be more in control of others
> > and of their own environment.  To become a master game player, the
> > 'Player' of players, the 'God' of Gods of all that one can survey is
> > really not possible.  I then suggest that this goal, this
> > consideration is what keeps one bound within games and trying but
> > never accomplishing being 'THE' God of Gods.  After all the first
> > consideration is that you are not a 'God of Gods' and that you must
> > work or do something to achieve that.  Well that in itself puts you
> > in a game, a game that you may win or not win and this game will
> > occur over and over and over with some wins and some losses but a
> > game is never resolved completely and finally or it would not ever be
> > a game, would it.  So being in a game to be the "God of Gods' is
> > perpetual and in that sense, it is never truly won.
> >
> > The true and only goal accomplishable is transcendence, transcendence
> > of games.  I find it interesting that what I find for myself to be
> > the final action after Level 5 ..... is called transcendental
> > meditation.
> >
> > Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Le?ncio Madruga wrote:
> > >
> > > I became a Advanced Transcendental Meditator several years ago,
> > > before using TROM.
> > >
> > > This advanced (TM-Sidhi) course was paid, and was sold promising a
> > > huge betterment in meditation and an acquisition of superpowers
> > > like body flying (the ?yogic fly?, now on video https://
> > > www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHwhGUo90jw).
> > > When we asked ours fellows (experienced meditators) about yogic
> > > fly, they said ?flying is not important, but just an evidence that
> > > you are a good meditator?.
> >
> > So true.
> >
> > > All of us (basic TM meditators) thought ?How can these people say
> > > this about that wonderful ability ????.
> > >
> > > Seeking for improvements  I did attend the TM-Sidhis training.
> > > In the course I did not fly (about 30% of my colleagues did not fly
> > > also).
> > >
> > > After the course, a TM trainer from my city invited me to
> > > participate of his TM class. Then, at the class, she asked me to
> > > explain the benefits of the TM-Sidhis course to his students. I was
> > > stuck with my inability to fly  and could not explain the benefits
> > > I received from TM-Sidhis Course.
> > >
> > > Again in my home, shamed, I decided to immerse in myself to
> > > identify any improvement on my life, e began to write about. After
> > > two weeks I finally had in my hands a 25 pages report! Then I
> > > decided to send that report to all my TM-Sidhis course colleagues.
> > > Those were my benefits from TM-Sidhis course (and I was not flying
> > > yet).
> > > I received several responses, but the best one was: ?Leoncio, you
> > > are flying higher than us!?. Only then I realised. Flying was not
> > > important as were the other benefits.
> > >
> > > And all those 25 pages included ONLY internal aspects of myself,
> > > and they cannot be viewed externally by someone, except by me.
> > > And those aspects were hidden to me: I had to put a huge effort (14
> > > days) to dig them all.
> > > For example I could then stay focused in same idea for hours,
> > > without distraction, effortlessly, in any environment. I also began
> > > to hear better than other people with normal hearing.
> > >
> > > So is TROM: Move planets out of his orbits is not important. The
> > > important is the improvement of your ability in games playing.
> > >
> > > Keep tromming
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