[TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 61, Issue 48 PS re Keys to Ultimate Freedom

Rudolf EDER synergion at yahoo.com.au
Mon Aug 24 00:47:11 UTC 2009


Hi all
For those interested,this Book can be Downloaded as a Free E-Book from:
http://www.pdf-search-engine.com/keys-to-the-ultimate-freedom-pdf.html
I personally am finding it very helpful.109 Pages of joyful reading
And on we Trom
Love
Rudi



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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:53:04 +0800
From: <jurgen_trom at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Share: level 3
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Hi Mike,

Understood ! 

Best
   Jurgen


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Subject: Re: [TROM1] Share: level 3


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Hi Jurgen
It's been on my mind the last couple of days to make clear what I meant just in case you or anyone got the wrong impression.

By "my story" I meant my past history or to use a Scientology term, using service facsimiles, being a victim and so on.

It seems to me that over the last few months what used to be so important to me, things that have happened to me in my life just seem to have lost their importance.

But regarding peoples wins they have had while doing Spiritual processing and the experiences and data they have found is to me extremely valuable.

Although I am just starting level 2 and getting to know the TROM data I do understand the information you gave about level 3.

Just wanted to make that clear, I didn't want you anyone to think I was not interested in what they have to say.
Best
Mike


  Hi Mike,

  Like you I also found TROM and after reading it I dropped a lot of other 'methodologies' and since then I have only done TROM and it has done a lot for me and I am just on level 3 .

  And thanks for sharing your story with us, just like you I also feel I don't have to (must) share my story  but I see it might have some use, if not for me then for others.

  Have a good day... 





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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:54:17 +0800
From: <jurgen_trom at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Tape transcript - The Conditions of Life
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Hi Harry,

Thanks for your hard work, it is appreciated!

Best
Jurgen

From: Happy Harry 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:41 AM
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Subject: [TROM1] Tape transcript - The Conditions of Life


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Hi everyone, 

I just finished transcribing Dennis's tape "The Conditions of Life". I proof-read it several times to make sure it's free of errors. 

I'm attaching three versions: 
- MS Word document (compatible with all versions of MS Word from 97 onwards)
- PDF file, for those of you who don't have MS Word installed
- RTF file (Rich Text Format) for those on Macs or with only basic document readers (e.g. WordPad)

Pete, you can put up these files next to their mp3 counterpart (download link) on the TROM Help page. 

Cheers, 

Harry 



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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rudolf EDER <synergion at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 61, Issue 41 re-organization of
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Thank You Pete
You have nicely anticipated the need for re-organisation
Here is what i have now done:
1) Downloaded all the Lectures into a folder called Trom
2) Printed out the 2 download Pages and used them as an index
3) Sorted the lectures as per the index, that way,when ever i open the folder "Trom"
it,s all there .
Works for me
Further i note an excellent increase in participation rate, thank You all for sharing You newly found
Wisdom.
Love
Rudi



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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:45:15 -0700
From: "Pete McLaughlin" <reso65tv at verizon.net>
Subject: [TROM1] New Lectures and a reorganization of the TROMhelp.com
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HI All

  Well we have 38 downloadable files at the tromhelp.com website no so I
needed to reorganize them into sensible groups.  I also added 5 new lectures
and 3 transcripts of lectures.

  Thank you Happy Harry for the 3 ?The Conditions of Life? transcripts in
pdf, rtf and word doc format.

The new lectures are:
The Philosophy of TROM
The Loop
Delusions
Level 5C (overts)
The Surprise Game

Take a look at the website and let me know if it all makes sense as I have
organized it.

Sincerely,

Pete


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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:18:39 +0800
From: <jurgen_trom at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] level 3
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Hi Harry,

Thanks for your words and whenever I feel like sharing I will :-)

Level 3 for me is very different than level 2. When doing level 3 I also 
start to see differences and similarities of 'bigger' things 
(postulates?)between the past and present scene, like: gravity, wind, 
season, night/day, sun position, orientation, intentions/goals of self and 
others, temperature etc.. but it happens just by itself, I don?t have to 
'think' of them. Most of the scenes are quite boring :-), although some 
evoke a surprise or laugh.

Until today I have listened to all the tapes including the Insanity Point 
lectures and I understand your hint about 'generated mass' and indeed it is 
something which is true, so good to take up as a complementary postulate 
when doing the exercises.
Note: Trying to 'unmock' or 'not know' the universe and it's objects is 
indeed quite a stupid undertaking if you come to think of it.

Best
Jurgen

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From: "Happy Harry" <happyharry at inbox.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:15 PM
To: <jurgen_trom at hotmail.com>; "The Resolution of Mind list" 
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Subject: Re: [TROM1] level 3

> Hi Jurgen,
>
> that's an excellent quote on Level 2. Thanks for that.
>
> Thank you for sharing your insights from Level 3 also. Whether somebody 
> shares their experiences and successes with TROM auditing or not, that's a 
> purely personal matter. It certainly isn't mandatory to do so. But I have 
> to say, I enjoy reading about other people's experiences with TROM and I 
> find them very interesting and educational. So please feel free to 
> continue to do so whenever you feel like it - you certainly have my 
> attention. :-)
>
> I haven't done any Level 3 yet, but I can somewhat relate to what you 
> wrote with regard to present time.
> Since you are constantly surrounded by mass (objects, particles, bodies, 
> and what have you) which is there to be known, you are only in a no-games 
> condition regarding it when you fully "know" said mass around you. To know 
> it would be to fully perceive it and experience it. Any other way, and you 
> are to some degree in a games condition regarding present time and the 
> objects around you. Actually, I would rather think of it as a games 
> condition with objects/masses found "in" present time rather than a games 
> condition "with" present time itself.
> Unfortunately, many of us are not always willing to fully know or 
> experience everything that's in present time (including masses and bodies, 
> etC). Perhaps what you're feeling regarding present time will ease the 
> more you adopt a to know postulate regarding it. And perhaps when we would 
> be willing to fully know all masses around us (and in our mind) we'll be 
> able to get into a no-games condition with it (by adopting complementary 
> postulates - must be known of masses versus to know on our part) and walk 
> out of this universe. It's an interesting thought.
>
> Jurgen, there's a very interesting bit on the origin of mass in this 
> universe in the tape "Unstacking Procedure" (second half of the tape) 
> which I'm currently trancribing. In it, Denis mentions that mass in this 
> universe is not directly created (e.g. by mock-up or postulate), but is 
> generated as a result of games play. I won't mention more on it, but 
> invite you to listen to it instead. It's very interesting stuff, and who 
> knows, maybe you'll see mass in present time differently (also while 
> you're doing Level 3 exercises) after listening to the tape.
>
> Again, thanks for sharing. :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry
>
>
> There are certainly times when I am fully aware of a games condition 
> between myself and present time, and objects in present time - most 
> notably when my room is in a mess and I haven't faced tidying it up yet. I 
> try to not know (must not know) the mass/mess around me (must be known). 
> This creates a games condition, and when I'm tired of it and can no longer 
> tolerate it, I just get up and tidy the place up. Haha.
>
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